Escort Laws in Plain English

[Bigbellyokre]

I totally agree with PKJessica.

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Originally Posted by rick_falcon

Some countries tolerate prostitution and bawdy houses in a controlled fashion and their society is doing very well.
Why doesn't Canada look into it?

The debate is being taken to court here in Canada this week, I just made a news story link to it today actually http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1658

Originally Posted by PKJessica

Well i guess we all recieve different information,but nonetheless, i am going to listen to the advice that was given to me by the lawyer and the cops who are clients of ours who keep us in the know of things.

I am not trying to scare you, just want you to know you were given false information. Ignorance to the law is not an excuse and will not be taken into consideration if you are charged. Do yourself a BIG favor and take 5 minutes to read the law (I posted the link for you and others in this thread earlier) you do not need to be a lawyer to read it - it's in plain English and is a easy read. Be smart, use your own judgment.

If your not pimping the ladies or involving drugs of any kind (from the looks of it you are not) then you should not get busted unless you piss off the wrong person or if you fire a girl and she decides to make your life miserable by going to the police and telling them everything they need to know to have you charged. You would most likely win the court case but it will hit you hard as the lawyer costs will be about 6 grand for pre-court and well over 12 grand if it actually goes to court.

Originally Posted by WTF

I hope you really don't have cops as 'clients' as that could be a red flag for your company...hopefully they are just advisers.

That is just a dumb statement. If a "Cop" is a client he is the LAST person you need to worry about. A cop that is investigating a agency is NOT going to have sex with the escorts. The problem is most client "Cops" will tell the girls things that they really know nothing about. Unless they are VISE cops they no very little about any sting operations against agencies (Or the law pertaining to prostitution at all) cops are NOT lawyers, they do what they are told to do and let the courts figure out if the charges they made are legit enough to process in court. If a so called "cop" tells the escort he is a cop it's only because he wants special attention from her and to make her like him more as the girl would get a false sense of security from this thinking that she has a COP on her side. Sorry but a traffic cop is not going to help you if you get busted for running a common bawdy house or pimping.

Cops are often clients, they are men too with the same needs as everyone else. To think they would not use a escort just because they are a cop is ridiculous... now the cops who tell the escorts they are actually cops are not so bright as the first person the girl will call will be the cop if she gets in trouble and don't think she would not immediately name drop!



EVERYONE should read the law (It's a easy read) I can't believe I have to stress this so much...

Ignorance is not a excuse and that is the first thing the judge will tell you. Most of us were born with at least one head so my advise would be to use it.

[wtf]

I recall someone is the military or government got laid off cause they used a work computer to view pornagraphy. It was actually big news when it happened and this was only viewing porn.

So, I would think a cop paying for sex would not be a far stretch from my initial statement. This is the 'sensational' news that would bring lots of negative attention to the force. The force has to set higher standard that those of the public. Arresting people for paying for sex and paying for sex themselves is a major contradiction


We live in a boring society and most people have a low tolenence prostitution or escort or strip clubs. I'm sure you will not see a cop justifying his actions of paying for sex on any public forum. There is a reason for that...cause image is everything. Once broken it;s very hard to repair.

That being said, I would not promote the fact that cops are regular to your agency...I can't see any good coming out from it...Is that not common sense for you all?????

And don't tell me lawyers are regulars too....they seem to have an out for everything...they seem to have the system setup so that they can't lose...it's always a win win for them....that's their image to the public....cops are different...


Sorry, that's just how I view it....

[PKjessica (PK is now PKJason)]

Anyways, WTF..sounds like you are bitter about something for some reason. U are definitely entitled to your opinion and so am I. Whether i am 100% correct or NOT about the law, the main thing is that regardless of the laws, is that we try and be as safe as possible and continue to be aware of the law the best we can. Nobody working in this industry can do things perfectly, its almost impossible or nobody would be doing this or benefitting from it, ie; agencies, johns..and so on...
I don't think anybody is in this business to get hurt or to hurt people.
And i am not promoting that cops use our agency, otherwise i would have made an add in anouncements saying so LOL.
Seriously....
take care.

[casinolad]

Excellent posts for the most part, very informative...thanks to all who contributed. For my part, I've been a driver for escorts/strippers for over 3 years < not presently btw> and been part-time manager of an escort agency for a little over 6 months <not presently btw..lol>, so I've had my experiences from both sides of the coin.
We operated an incall service, which initially for me caused me more trepidation than if we had used a strictly "outcall" service, but then I started thinking about when was the last time I heard or read of any agencies getting "busted", barring any underage girls of course, and I honestly could not think of one in the last 20 years. I did not leave because I was afraid of a raid, I left because the money was not what I had hoped it would be and the drama/stress of running a day-today agency is understated, to say the the least. I find the vast majority of the ladies who contribute/are reviewed on these forums are atypical of the industry in general, in a positive way.
I am beginning to ramble here, so i will end this by saying that I would not worry too much about getting busted by using an escort from an agency or an indepedent, as long as they are:
a) Not doing their business in an OBVIOUS way, as unwanted attention is a surefire way to create problems for yourself.
b) Making sure no one is under-age, another major red flag for huge repercussions not to mention obvious moral implications.

Those to me are the 2 big ones, and I admire PKJessica and those like her for the job that that they do, as I sure as hell would not have the patience/grace needed to keep up a well run agency over an extended period of time.
Take care, and happy hunting alls..

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If you suspect Drugs, underage girls, Pimping or sex slavery taking place then you should get out quick! No place for those things in this business! Any of those thing would be a good indication that they are probably under investigation and could be busted at any time! Unfortunately that does happen in this business (not as much as the media would have you believe but it does happen)

Like any business someone is always willing to exploit it when they see a open door).

A large number of Asian in-call locations were busted (Across Canada) not too long ago as they were found to be forcing the women to have sex. I would guess that many of the asian bait and switch sites are probably doing this as it seams to be a cultural thing right now. I am sure it happens with other cultures and race as well but we do seam to have a problem in Canada with this right now.

[sexystar420]

As an independent escort I'm curious. from what I gathered from about is

??? as long as we are offering a date & not discussing sex are we legal???

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Originally Posted by sexystar420

As an independent escort I'm curious. from what I gathered from about is

??? as long as we are offering a date & not discussing sex are we legal???

I think you need to re-read this thread. Sex for money is legal in Canada.

It is illegal to work in a common bawdy house as a prostitute, it is illegal to be under the age of 18, it's illegal to pimp someone, illegal to bring someone into this business and it's illegal to discuss sex in exchange for money in public.

If you talk to clients in private and don't solicit anyone on the street (or anywhere public) and make sure everything happens behind closed doors and not in a brothel it's legal to have sex for money (and you can advertise in newspapers and online as well legally). Some cities have by-laws stopping you from calling yourself a "Escort" as they have licenses for this and as a "Escort" you can not have sex on a date (it is just a paid date for time) so you are better off in Canada in many cities to NEVER say you are "just a escort and time is for companionship only" as you may be in a city that requires a license for being an escort by that cities definition. If you say you are a prostitute doing outcalls and you never speak of sex in public your not breaking any laws)

[Akhenaton]

To be quite frank, that's why most folks want the law changed, because it makes no sense, it's a typical Canadian compromise... it's legal in the middle, but surounded by illegals...

You can take money, but don't ask or offer... you know... make it yes, BUT....

Originally Posted by wtf

Hi everyone,

I am curious, can someone explain in simple words or reference actual legal sites that explain how the law sees the escort business.

1) What is legal and illegal for girls
2) what is legal and illegal for guys
3) what is legal and illegal for drivers
4) what is legal and illegal for owners of angency
5) how advertising can be legal or illegal
6) why you hear police bust on escorts agency, girls and guys ;
7) what are the legal recourse for girls, guys, driver and owner of agency
what protection do agency provide for these girls?

If it legal why do you hear raids/sweep in the newspaper?

This whole thing doesn't have a clear answer...can some turn shed some light on this grey area.

thanks

[AngelaofOttawa]

Originally Posted by wtf

I hope you really don't have cops as 'clients' as that could be a red flag for your company...hopefully they are just advisers.

You might want to modify they line...

Not to hijack this thread, but please bear in mind that not all cops are "vice cops" on the clock looking to bust girls. I had a regular in Toronto who only told me after the 2nd visit because we were talking about his tattooes on his arms and he said he used to be a cop in New York City and he was allowed to wear short sleeved shirts there, but in Toronto he had to wear long sleeves to cover them. He then admitted he was a dual citizen and was now a Toronto cop. We saw each other a few more times before I moved back to Ottawa. Since I wasn't breaking the law, then I'm sure he wasn't worried about getting into trouble, right?

He was a just a regular guy wanting to get his rocks off like everybody else. I'm not sure how many of them will actually tell you they're cops though, that's why I find it interesting that PK actually know their clients are. I don't know the occupations of clients unless they volunteer it.

As for "red flagging", all the cops need to do is look on boards like these to find who's who and for what purpose? As for being advisors? Many cops don't know the law as well as the MOD on this board.

Like has been said over and over, unless there is a complaint, or the person is being really visible about what they're doing, the cops have better things to do than worry about what we're doing..if you stick with legitimate providers who don't do drugs or do business in a sketchy location, you're going to be fine. I have been doing this since 1995 and have never had a brush with the law.